The mechanic that is causing your problems is local. That's what needs to be fixed.

AFK cloaking couldn't exist without local. The reason people get aggravated is because local shows them that someone is there and they overreact to this information. Local is providing too much intel for too little (i.e. no) work.

The entire GÇ£problemGÇ¥ of AFK cloaking resides in the existence of local and is an artefact of this defect. To GÇ£fixGÇ¥ AFK cloaking, the defect in local has to be removed (alternatively, you can just stop thinking of it as a problem).

By the way, removing local as an intel tool is part of the CCP 5-year-planGäóGǪ

Would the removal of local affect your botting or why are you so against it ?

The best solution so far remains the idea that cloaking removes you from local, in both senses: you cannot be seen in the local user list, and you cannot see the local user list.

Yes, because losing the ability to spot targets easily and having no idea what you might encounter should you choose to attack is both risk-free and easymode.

GǪand even then, not being sure what it is you're going to encounter.

What's the problem with removing local?

GǪwhich you already can, and which doesn't remove that uncertainty since the whole point is that you inherently don't have enough information to make a fully informed decision any more, so it's not actually offset at all. Dictating when you engage helps when you can pick the best opportunity to strike GÇö with the added uncertainty, you no longer can.

You're arguing that having less information at your disposal makes things easier and less risky. I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense.

The same way as now. In other words, it makes no difference and doesn't suddenly turn anything into risk-free easymode.

What I see here in this thread, is plain and simple nullbears QQ. What you are say does not change this. Infact it would indeed worsen the situation.

Being in a cloaky does not give you all the intel in the system. Guess what. To find that out you have to move. Risk getting de-cloaked, bla bla bla. Infact by not being in the local, will make gathering intel a whole lot easier. They dont see you, they dont dock up. Thus hiding the ships they were using.

Then you would have the next wave crying QQ, We can't tell if theres a cloaky in our system, let us see the AFK cloakies so we know they're there and when they're not. So we can absolutey know, when we are safe to mine / bot

Local is not the broken mechanic here. What is broken is people's perception of a perceived threat.


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GǪexcept it solves the problem completely since it removes AFK cloaking, both in terms of removing the practical application of it on the Gǣattacker'sGǥ part and in terms of removing the frustration on the defenders' side.

Some people just want to see eve easymode...

Let me rephrase for you:

It is not the single suicide ganker that scares me, but the power that many project. He can at any time, find me in a belt, mark a position, and before I can blink have 5 suicide gankers right on top of me. Again, my main issue here is not the non-skill of suicide ganking as it stands. I'd rather not have this thread turn into a discussion of having suicide ganking or not, rather, whether the cost / benefit of suicide ganking is insanely wrong.

You null bear hypocrites make me sick.

I love AFK Cloaking tear threads. Nullbears are as terrible as hisec bears.

"didn't cut it in nullsec"

Sorry but wormhole alliances aren't the ones who run screaming and crying back to their pos because an AFK player is in the same system, then spread their tears all over the forums begging CCP to protect them from players who aren't even there and can't do a damned thing.

REMOVE LOCAL!

It is the behaviour or everyone who has ever complained about AFK cloakers.

I live in a WH.

When I get the idea there is an AFK cloaker in system I take precautions. You can never be sure one way or the other whether you're going to get jumped or not.

I am yet to die to one.

Yet apparently, a guy AFK cloaking in nullsec is a cause for OMG LOCKDOWN ALL THE THINGS!! ZOMG!! OH NO!!

Pathetic.

I support cloaking devices removing you from local. That way, when you see the name popup in local, you can take all the same precautions that you would otherwise and you know he's at the keys / kill-able.